tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post8250936230913606722..comments2023-06-13T08:29:39.914+00:00Comments on MAKING A MARK: Artists on Facebook - The Scope and The RulesUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-24629148516415744732012-07-10T12:14:03.111+00:002012-07-10T12:14:03.111+00:00Thanks Katherine. yes, it is confusing when you st...Thanks Katherine. yes, it is confusing when you start out using FB just for art. My real friends have crept in and now it is confusing. I’ll have a think what to do, in the mean time will just have to share or post twice.<br />Hope you’re having a nice day!Sophiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10305269093118541197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-52710388554173619512012-07-10T11:47:56.867+00:002012-07-10T11:47:56.867+00:00Sorry - forgot to add - I'm just liking more p...Sorry - forgot to add - I'm just liking more pages as Making A Mark! :)Making A Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509483023337008890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-30981205067208034382012-07-10T11:39:51.308+00:002012-07-10T11:39:51.308+00:00There were lots of people who were confused at the...There were lots of people who were confused at the beginning about the difference between personal account and page.<br /><br />I wanted my personal account to be limited to people I genuinely knew and not people who I didn't know who wanted to be my "friends". I've never been comfortable with that concept of mixing family and close friends with complete strangers. Hence for me very people have been friended and it's much easier for me to switch to using the page more<br /><br />What was weird was thinking to post to the page in the same way as to my blog. Plus getting out of the automatic post (eg via networked blogs) which it became very apparent was not surfacing on other people's pages.<br /><br />I now post my blog posts manually to my Facebook page with a little messages. Plus I also share what I see there as well. Maybe 1 or 2 other items during a day. <br /><br />The trick seems to be to think of:<br />* your Page as where the main art-based interaction with the outside world is <br />* your personal account as where your real friends are<br />* your groups are where you share with likeminded people - and these are a really important way of communicating on specialist topics without annoying people.Making A Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509483023337008890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-89979078913275459612012-07-10T11:22:17.695+00:002012-07-10T11:22:17.695+00:00You get people commenting on your page who liked y...You get people commenting on your page who liked your page. But can you comment on other people’s pages as ‘making a mark’? You can, but only on pages that you liked as MaM. For everything else you have to turn into KT (commenting on posts, befriending etc). So interaction as MaM is limited.<br />Yes, my page posts get shared (or posted twice) on my timeline. <br />Still thinking...LOLSophiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10305269093118541197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-81218468441322191062012-07-10T11:09:06.269+00:002012-07-10T11:09:06.269+00:00I think if you've always had a clear distincti...I think if you've always had a clear distinction between personal on the personal timeline and "hello world" stuff on your page it's not so much of a problem. For example I get people commenting on my page who have liked it. They see the posts in their personal timeline and some comment there and some on my page.<br /><br />However if there has been any confusion about the differentiation of content between personal and page I can well understand it must be very frustrating to have built up an audience on the personal page - only to find that's not where any 'business' oriented content should be.<br /><br />Do your facebook page posts appear in your personal timeline?Making A Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509483023337008890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-16976457028663312592012-07-10T09:41:28.828+00:002012-07-10T09:41:28.828+00:00I have decided to seperate things: art stuff on my...I have decided to seperate things: art stuff on my page, personal stuff on my personal timeline. But...I realised that I cannot interact with others very well. I have ‘liked’ hundreds of other artists’ pages via my personal account. I have hundreds of ‘friends’. But as a business I have liked little and you cannot make friends as a business. So if I want to comment or interact with others I have to do that as personal me. When people click my name they get taken to my personal page - not my business page. So, as a business I have to start ‘liking’ tons of pages in order to talk on fb as a business (and then still I can only interact with other pages) or constantly point potential friends to my business page. This is not handy.Sophiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10305269093118541197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-2994940606561270562012-07-06T01:16:34.239+00:002012-07-06T01:16:34.239+00:00I thought I would share something interesting. I&#...I thought I would share something interesting. I've been connecting with the dog communities online. I discovered a "share your Facebook Page links" thread yesterday on one of the forums so I added mine. Overnight, I got 23 new Likes on my Page from people who make up the prime audience for my upcoming book for dog lovers! Yay! One thing I learned though. Only Likes from personal profile accounts are counted toward your total number of Likes; Likes from other Pages do not. Your Page's posts will show up in the news feed for any Page that has liked you, though. So it's all good :)Carole Pivarnikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787775846290065794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-15153702977057844232012-07-04T15:09:07.411+00:002012-07-04T15:09:07.411+00:00Thanks for the breakdown, Katherine, it's help...Thanks for the breakdown, Katherine, it's helpful! <br /><br />Like others, I find Pages to be less useful and less useful than Groups, if what you value is interaction--which I guess I do! I created the Urban Sketchers Midwest Page, and also a group, and the page sits there unless I remember to do something with it. Of course both are relatively new, but the group is definitely more user-friendly.<br /><br />I'm getting better at using my OWN business Page and keeping it more up to date--and I hope more interesting. What I do sometimes that I hope is all right is then "share" that post on my own personal page, with a note, as I believe you said?<br /><br />And yes, pretty sure you can have more than one account if you use a different email address--I'm having trouble keeping up with all the "me"s as it is.<:-DKate (Cathy Johnson)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03296053923338246127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-3174113643881325982012-07-04T11:52:46.672+00:002012-07-04T11:52:46.672+00:00Why not just use the privacy controls? Put everyo...Why not just use the privacy controls? Put everyone into lists and post the appropriate comments to the appropriate lists? On a rare occasion I'll post something more private and it only goes to my friends and family lists.<br /><br />Sometimes I post things only for my coworkers and I have a list for them. <br /><br />Facebook gives you control to be whoever you want to different groups - which sounds easier than logging in and out with multiple accounts.Lisa Callhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08757517309377110626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-40330257422746850452012-07-04T11:49:46.420+00:002012-07-04T11:49:46.420+00:00Sophie,
Like you, I have a bunch of real friends ...Sophie,<br /><br />Like you, I have a bunch of real friends and family and even coworkers (I'm a software engineer by day). If they don't want to see my art stuff they can unfriend me. I unfriend people that post things that annoy me so it's all fair game. I don't really worry about it. I trust the right people will be my friends.<br /><br />I also don't worry about double posting. I think I have about 650 people that are both fans of my biz page and also my friends - this is about 30% of my friends - so not a huge overlap. Plus I post at different times and so I figure the chances of someone seeing things twice is pretty small and if they do - they'll get over it (or they will unfriend me).Lisa Callhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08757517309377110626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-78191524982733287582012-07-04T09:44:00.715+00:002012-07-04T09:44:00.715+00:00Sophie,
Do you mean you CAN'T have ONLY a busi...Sophie,<br />Do you mean you CAN'T have ONLY a business page without a personal account?.<br /><br />I am confused, does that mean you have to have a personal page too?<br /><br />I (may) only want a business page.David Teterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16747334525619423349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-60030088580899295522012-07-04T08:22:59.979+00:002012-07-04T08:22:59.979+00:00You can have multiple accounts on multiple email a...You can have multiple accounts on multiple email addresses. Also, to have a business page, you have to have a personal account. Keeping things seperate for business and pleasure like that seems to make sense. For everyone who are just getting started: keep it seperate if you intend to socialise on fb besides business!!Sophiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10305269093118541197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-15670685244462254082012-07-04T08:17:22.331+00:002012-07-04T08:17:22.331+00:00One thing I've learned in the last few days is...One thing I've learned in the last few days is you can only have one facebook account per email address. However I can't find anything which says you can't have more than one facebook account - if you want to have a "private you" and an "arty you".<br /><br />Facebook Help says<br /><i>"Facebook accounts are for individual use. This means that we don't allow joint accounts. Additionally, you can only sign up for one Facebook account per email address."</i><br /><br />Can anybody help? Is it possible to have more than one account so as to compartmentalise one's life?Making A Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509483023337008890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-47358332846359599152012-07-04T08:04:55.421+00:002012-07-04T08:04:55.421+00:00Lisa, that is how I started on facebook! Over time...Lisa, that is how I started on facebook! Over time, however, people I knew in real life starting befriending me as well and now I have a few (only a few and not my closest friends) fb friends that I actually know in real life. Over time I also started to get to know some of the artists/arty people that befriended me and by now my fb friends are ‘real people’, ‘strangers’, ‘fellow artists that I chat with’, ‘fellow artists whom I don’t know’ etc etc. A lot of my posts are public and my business page is focussed on my art purely. But....there are a lot of duplicates and I found that most people who are interested in my work befriend me as they seem to like the ‘behind the scenes’ idea. I pity my local friends who end up reading all my arty blah! But, like you, I wouldn’t be on facebook for anything else than sharing art and art talk. I must say, the art talk has grown a lot and I really appreciate now how I can interact with other artists - people I would otherwise never have known. But Lisa, how do you make sure you don’t post new works twice all the time?Sophiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10305269093118541197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-17513883963240156042012-07-04T04:06:00.406+00:002012-07-04T04:06:00.406+00:00I come at this from a different point of view. I ...I come at this from a different point of view. I question why anyone would use facebook for anything other than sharing their artwork. If I weren't an artist I wouldn't bother being on facebook. In my opinion it is an utter waste of time. I connect with my close friends and family in real life, not facebook.<br /><br />So I friend just about anyone - only the creepy spammers are rejected. And those that can't shut up about politics - yawn.<br /><br />I use my personal profile as an inside peek into the life of an artist (who also has a day job and kids and a house) - it's the daily blah blah blah of life with an art slant. I do a lot of public posts on this page and let people subscribe to it. <br /><br />I use my business page to focus on my art and inspiration.<br /><br />I very frequently will "share" a post from my page onto my profile or in the reverse. This way when I have new art - it is shared in both places but generally at different times.<br /><br />---lisaLisa Callhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08757517309377110626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-10325375809368595192012-07-04T00:39:31.999+00:002012-07-04T00:39:31.999+00:00I am not on Facebook (yet?) due mostly to the nega...I am not on Facebook (yet?) due mostly to the negative press I hear on the news regarding privacy issues, the lack of customer service, especially when there are problems, and recently the automatic email changes they made.<br />So all this is a bit confusing to me, seems like a lot to keep up on.<br /><br />Also I would have to evaluate the time I would need to spend to make it worthwhile and not a wasted effort.<br />Does anyone have an idea of how much time you spend (after the initial set-up) to maintain?<br /><br />I have always proceeded very thoughtful before starting something I don't understand.<br />If I do start one, a professional not personal page, then I know I can come here to help me figure it all out, so thanks Katherine.<br /><br />I am sure it is harder to correct mistakes made than to get it right the first time as I have seen some of the horror stories on the news.David Teterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16747334525619423349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-84015224356877580492012-07-03T15:43:50.636+00:002012-07-03T15:43:50.636+00:00You can, however, also select where you want to po...You can, however, also select where you want to post your "like" - the drop-down menu allows you to set it to either your personal profile or one of your pages (if, like me, you have more than one). I find that's the quickest way to share things art related or other-wise, and sometimes I share to both!Aitchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12079585784192745401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-31050520351425159862012-07-03T14:28:24.905+00:002012-07-03T14:28:24.905+00:00A valuable topic, Katherine. Thank you.
While I t...A valuable topic, Katherine. Thank you.<br /><br />While I think a professional (as opposed to personal) Facebook page can be a valuable additional marketing tool for an artist, I do not think it's a viable substitute for a website (though a blog, if used correctly, can be). <br /><br />I find it difficult to predict when a given Facebook page can be viewed by those not logged in to Facebook, and as I have a general rule about not linking to pages that require login, I will not link to Facebook pages when featuring artists on Lines and Colors.Charley Parkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17224073381783904301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-35833837710606006782012-07-03T13:38:19.396+00:002012-07-03T13:38:19.396+00:00A lot of the problem with artists who have a '...A lot of the problem with artists who have a 'personal' profile with hundreds or thousands of 'friends' but only utilise it for self promotion - is that in time your 'friends' get a tad sick of the sales pitch, no matter how disguised - and take you off their news feed. So while you think you are broadcasting to that many in actuality you don't know how many are reading or even interested at all.<br />However with a 'Page' people are there because they choose to be.<br />If you make your page interesting, newsworthy, offer free information, tips, hints, links to interesting sites etc - then your page becomes one to follow to help the reader (liker)be informed as well as your page with building followers. Then others see their friends liking your posts and update and subscribe also, that's how you build numbers.<br />I follow a lot of travel and design pages and if they are only interested in self promotion and selling their own product it usually disappears off my news feed. The ones I really enjoy are the ones who inspire me and add something of information and education. I have seen many pages link to other pages and vice versa and it is seen as a community rather than an individual business.<br />I wouldn't imagine you do get a lot of sales off Facebook but if marketed well it is a great network and word of mouth in time is the best form of PR. Also directing these numbers to your blog is where it starts to make a real difference.Vicki Lee Johnstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10409588969370991946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-56010636755056120642012-07-03T12:35:04.964+00:002012-07-03T12:35:04.964+00:00I know. But I’ve got loads of ‘friends’: 95% of th...I know. But I’ve got loads of ‘friends’: 95% of them are strangers - fans, artists etc. I’d have to ask them all to move over to my fan page so I can separate my political opinions with my paintings....hmmm<br />Have taken enouhg of your comment thread here - will leave it to others. More on my facebook page btw! ;-)Sophiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10305269093118541197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-78864816713955327072012-07-03T11:00:24.947+00:002012-07-03T11:00:24.947+00:00Sophie - I think if you switched your art-related ...Sophie - I think if you switched your art-related personal posts to your Sophie Art Business Facebook Page you'd see it taking off<br /><br />Lots of people already keep their personal account for very personal family/real friends related stuff + comments on how life is affecting them<br /><br />I think the confusion has arisen because of all the Facebook notion of "friends - IMO many so-called "friends" are actually nothing of the sort.Making A Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509483023337008890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-44796144563463716302012-07-03T10:54:53.785+00:002012-07-03T10:54:53.785+00:00What a great article!
Thanks so much Katherine.
Lo...What a great article!<br />Thanks so much Katherine.<br />Love,<br />LindaBlondheim Art and Storieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10592896677066665920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-78051526220555771242012-07-03T09:42:35.668+00:002012-07-03T09:42:35.668+00:00Gosh, loads of interesting comments here. Great. I...Gosh, loads of interesting comments here. Great. I realise that a lot of you have ‘personal friends’ on your personal page and want to keep things separate. Understandable. I am a saddo I suppose as I don’t really interact with ‘real friends’ via facebook, and on the few occasions that I do, I will select to make my posts only visible to a few. (I’ve chopped up my friends list into ‘real friends’ and ‘strangers’ and ‘artists’ etc) So pretty much everything on my personal page is art related. I pretty much never post personal things or pictures of my kids or something. Basically, it seems that my personal page should be my business page. I know a lot of artists have it this way around. I’ve allowed anybody to become my friend (I don’t subscribe to every friends’ newsfeed) and I post almost everything publicly. As if it was a business page. I am sure we can run a business page successfully, I’d just have to move over to it and use it they way I am using my personal page. Not sure its worth the effort/swap in my case!<br />Sarah Jane, I am sure Katherine can tell you more about it, but as far as I know I wouldn’t worry about FB having copyright over your images. They need to gain a bit of it so they can host your images on their website. If they’d abuse this right they’d be in big trouble so I wouldn’t worry.Sophiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10305269093118541197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-41222949753873932452012-07-03T09:00:43.213+00:002012-07-03T09:00:43.213+00:00(This is the reply which should have been above th...(This is the reply which should have been above the one above but went in the wrong place!)<br /><br />It takes a long time to get activity on your Facebook page. If you nattered more about your art there as well you'd find you got more likes much faster. <br /><br />Facebook determines how much it pushes out to people's timelines by how much activity there is on the Page.Making A Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509483023337008890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-14528463818506362812012-07-03T08:58:58.717+00:002012-07-03T08:58:58.717+00:00Also Sophie - go and take a look at how other busi...Also Sophie - go and take a look at how other businesses use their Pages, what they include in their apps bit and how chatty they are - you may be surprised.<br /><br />The reasons I started using my Facebook Page more is because I saw how some of the big organisations used their Pages. <br /><br />They of course can't have a personal account so they need to generate all the interaction via their Page. Which means if they can do it so can we! :)Making A Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509483023337008890noreply@blogger.com