tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post1594862369971814816..comments2023-06-13T08:29:39.914+00:00Comments on MAKING A MARK: Make your own art!Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-78199827505153160522015-01-21T21:29:43.657+00:002015-01-21T21:29:43.657+00:00In the beginning i was looking for a way to paint ...In the beginning i was looking for a way to paint like the old masters, van Gogh, Picasso Dali etc<br />What i've learned during this road of copying is the way they used their materials and several methods of problem solving. <br />After a while copying just stopped and slowly my own style was crawling out of the material.<br />I've changed many times and experienced a lot.. Untill something strange happened. After some year of try outs everything stood still suddenly.. I still remember the day I took my brush, but nothing seems to come out anymore. This period of white canvas was like hell. The mind was filled with ideas, but nothing came out anymore. I decided to go to artskool, to find a solution and to solve this problem. At the artskool I learned a lot about perspective,composition and many classical theories.. But none of them seemed to be true for me.<br />After 6 months I stopped following classes. Depressed and misserable I started to write about my feelings in art.. I kept on searching the old wise google machine (How to be a good artist)<br />Nothing.. <br />Untill one month ago, i was walking across some snowfields and suddenly everything was clear again. I just should do what I like to do, no matter what people say or think about my work as long as I can enjoy my own personal work. I realized that this block and black out was the result of forcing myself to make things other people would like, or which may be sold well.<br />Slowly I'm getting back on track I still look at other peoples art, they can inspire me by contents and technique, but I realize that I should never give up my own voice even when people are disagreed with my style, technique etc..<br />Sometimes people say, your painting like child.. <br /><br />But that's the way I Like and who I am truly..<br /><br />2015 we just started a new year and I wish the best and goodluck to all of you..<br /><br />let's make art again and do'nt waste to much time with feelings about fear, and expectations from other people watching us<br /><br /><br />Grtsz<br /><br /> <br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-83847779134436666242011-07-23T00:12:56.364+00:002011-07-23T00:12:56.364+00:00A bit late in commenting - but for me I have been...A bit late in commenting - but for me I have been working with making marks on paintings using anyt tool that seems to help me say what I want to say - but now I want to get back to pure brushwork - having recently seen the wonderful brushwork of David Donaldson in a retrospective. So I suppose he's influenced me onto another step. I used to think I had be totally original until I realised how closely the Impressionists worked together, bouncing ideas around yet each finding an individual voice. And how wonderful it is to see an exhibition and want to rush home to start a painting - not in the same style/subject but for the pure joy of the actual painting process. I've really enjoyed this post and look forward to you current thoughts on daily Painters.Bridget Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12687955539907001586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-25790703849415322182011-03-28T17:50:10.092+00:002011-03-28T17:50:10.092+00:00Nice! Thank you for the link IlariaNice! Thank you for the link IlariaMaking A Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509483023337008890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-31787563800382788292011-03-28T17:30:21.738+00:002011-03-28T17:30:21.738+00:00A link to an online album of copies put together b...A link to an online album of copies put together by Catherine Kehoe, showing how contemporary artists might look at the old masters.<br />http://picasaweb.google.com/catherinekehoe8/Copies#Ilariahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06881396758041492772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-42412529029608130452011-03-26T19:21:49.320+00:002011-03-26T19:21:49.320+00:00I have been feeling a bit overwhelmed by painters ...I have been feeling a bit overwhelmed by painters and their lemons, oranges, grapes, and apples lately. I am a figurative painter - have been for over 40 years - and can never find an end to the possibilities of the human form - why would I want to copy somebody else? I have paintings in my head I'll never have time to get to!<br />(And I have done a few bowls of fruit paintings also:-)Karen Martin Sampsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15180294856179918446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-8382263151162743602011-03-26T17:23:55.297+00:002011-03-26T17:23:55.297+00:00Thanks for your posts on this topic Katherine. I a...Thanks for your posts on this topic Katherine. I also subscribe to Stapleton Kearns so this seems to be timely. It certainly is within one of the groups I paint with, where we have had to talk rather sternly about plagiarism. I am going to forward links to your items to the group for their edification.<br /><br />Also, thank you for the idea re a portfolio. I haven't done that, but just your explanation made me think that I will likely find such a link as you did. My background is microbiology, and I love focusing in on details. Never consciously made the connection. Thanks for that. I will spend some time making a portfolio soon.Prairie painterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15941114768160314697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-4721537600424351452011-03-26T15:09:30.252+00:002011-03-26T15:09:30.252+00:00I read these posts and most of the numerous commen...I read these posts and most of the numerous comments, and what a topic! It comes down to telling untruths and lies, I would say. I don't follow closely the artists in question, so I have to generalize the topic to apply it.<br /><br />I love to copy masters, and have done many copies of van Gogh, Degas, and Wolf Kahn. I also have done a few others, and the process, I feel, jumps me forward in my own learning process. I encourage every artist to look hard at the masters, and at those who catch your attention enough to copy.<br /><br />It is mortifying to see my work on a Google page under the query "Degas ballerina sketch." Google can be particularly dumb, and sometimes spectacularly so. Ouch. I have explored HTML code to help in this, but so far haven't found the magic pill to prevent it from happening.<br /><br />My advice.<br /><br />Use the words "after van Gogh" or thereabouts to disclose when your idea was sparked by the other artist significantly. That's a sliding scale, so I don't hold an artist's feet to the fire too much. Perhaps Duane is saying this, too. An orange is an orange, and BTW his peeled orange is superior.<br /><br />Also, it is important I think to say "master copy," or something similar, when the composition is a direct take. I personally don't wish to sell an image done this way, but it is interesting to note that in the Nineteenth Century in France these artworks were commonly sold. <br /><br />In the vein of pet peeves and copies, I am always disappointed with mills of copyists engaged in wholesale copying of masterworks for profit. There are whole cities engaged in this and the excuse, as I understand it, is that it is a different culture and so a different norm.<br /><br />I have had college students show me their copies of my work, and I think every artist here present has had his work downloaded and somewhere copied. It is good to be aware of this.<br /><br />Okay, sorry to wander, but it is a big topic and this was my response. Now, back to my big copy of Degas' "Woman wearing a Street Dress."Casey Klahnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08020906666248399435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-75571390860102157832011-03-26T08:05:15.646+00:002011-03-26T08:05:15.646+00:00Excellent post again Katherine some very thought p...Excellent post again Katherine some very thought provoking things. In one of my mini jobs I write a blog for a gallery, Beside The Wave, which involves visiting and interviewing artists in their studios. I have found that really genuine artists are like their paintings, in other words, their personality is in their work. It is a bit like the way people look like their dogs!! If the painting is fresh, open and genuine, so it seems is the artist or very layered and complex, a bit dark, even scarred or angst ridden and tortured etc. It is fascinating, I haven't worked out me yet but I am getting good at seeing everyone else!! So watch out, artists all, your true colours are literally spread out for all to see!Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14193935968877679533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-54517630755412379362011-03-25T21:28:19.699+00:002011-03-25T21:28:19.699+00:00Its been really interesting to read the comments o...Its been really interesting to read the comments on this. Its strange that when I first started painting there was nothing more I wanted than to be original. This was all I wanted, to paint in a way no one had. I tried so hard and experimented all the time with ideas that I thought were different so I could be successful. Only now that I feel anything that is forced isnt right-and it will show. <br />We are all individual and so if we all paint the things we LOVE then we should produce work that is unique. Styles develop over time, I think its just how we are confortable painting. <br />I wanted to share with you one of my favourite artists Leon Zanella. Hes a french artist and one of those painters that has a style of painting that is just so unique-his landscapes, particularly venice scenes are incredible. I have no idea if he is well known, but he should be. I think you will find his work interesting Katherine leonzanella dot com. Have a look:)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02326239573663689576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-20918886110072698342011-03-25T20:12:17.212+00:002011-03-25T20:12:17.212+00:00I have really enjoyed these last 2 posts - plagiar...I have really enjoyed these last 2 posts - plagiarism then this on originality.<br /><br />I think that by experimenting and picking subjects you enjoy in a way you feel comfortable with, without checking out how others have tackled the same subject, is the way to originality and finding your own style.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17511653763073963362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-7828855584695604642011-03-25T19:48:54.845+00:002011-03-25T19:48:54.845+00:00@Vivien - excellent points as always.
I think it ...@Vivien - excellent points as always.<br /><br />I think it takes a bit of time for it to sink in why "being true to yourself" matters so much. Which is why I think we get wobbles and people feeling confused at the beginning.<br /><br />You can't beat looking at lots of art and doing the work and experimenting. My own feeling was that in the end it all starts to slot into place without making a conscious effort - because you're doing what feels right for you.Making A Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509483023337008890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-90358685963957599072011-03-25T19:45:36.855+00:002011-03-25T19:45:36.855+00:00Thanks Kathryn - that's a good strategy with c...Thanks Kathryn - that's a good strategy with comments. Only those who really have something constructive to say are going to go to the trouble of finding your email address and writing separately. I'm fine about comments on my blog - but that's within the context of a dialogue about wider issues among peers.<br /><br />I enjoyed taking a look at your work. :)Making A Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509483023337008890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-8628834221471740052011-03-25T16:45:51.994+00:002011-03-25T16:45:51.994+00:00a good post Katherine :>)
It's something I...a good post Katherine :>)<br /><br />It's something I feel very strongly about and have done a past post on it plus a follow up today<br /><br />http://vivienb.blogspot.com/search/label/style<br /><br />I explain from the very start with my students the importance of being true to themselves in their work.<br /><br />And I think it's essential to look at a wide wide range of artists work - that's the way not to be too derivative. You take little bits of influence even from artists you aren't keen on - some element may trigger ideas that you take in a very different direction.<br /><br />You could never study music without listening to other musicians or write without reading other authors.<br /><br />what you don't like teaches you as much as what you do - avoiding pitfalls, making you consider how not to repeat what you see as their weak points.vivienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16820836660470146799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-18397545484277428592011-03-25T15:25:43.779+00:002011-03-25T15:25:43.779+00:00Katherine, I am so thrilled to see yesterday'...Katherine, I am so thrilled to see yesterday's and today's posts on this topic. I began my blog in the spring of '05, thanks to inspiration from Duane. Three years out from my BFA, I was struggling to keep painting; this was a tonic. I was frequently in touch with him in the early days, and in 2007 asked him if he was upset that so many people were essentially copying his style and format. He replied that he was unhappy only if they were not embarking on their own journey, growing as painters, and that all too many were looking for shortcuts and painting only to sell. I have personally confronted bloggers when I see uncomfortable closeness between their imagery and Duane's original concepts. Now I can just point people toward your post. <br /><br />Also, about the "happy clappy" comments: Yes! That is precisely why I turned off the comment function on my blog. It is not helpful, in fact it's detrimental, to always get the cheerleading even when the work is below par. Some people comment just to garner attention for themselves. Worse yet, there seems to be an unwritten rule in the blogosphere against constructive criticism. On my blog, I encourage people to write to me directly with feedback; by doing so, some meaningful dialog happens. I get honesty, and the commenter gets a more detailed reply. Win-win.kathrynlawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06792831717839627852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-68572055510406361722011-03-25T15:19:26.965+00:002011-03-25T15:19:26.965+00:00How do you teach patience? :D Kearns is right - bu...How do you teach patience? :D Kearns is right - but perhaps in our modern hurry we applaud his conciseness and miss his point.<br /><br />And, as far as instruction and a way forward - that goes back to the dreadful state of art instruction books. Telling people which pencils to use and in what order...Yes, if all people read is instruction like that, they will just copycat styles. They won't move on because they haven't practiced that difficult step of turning theory to practice. They've just mimicked your last step from theory to practice.<br /><br />That's a larger problem then just art though - university students seem to be more interested in learning what to think rather than how to think.Rose Weltyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00313411909909580181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-73076654451231745882011-03-25T14:24:45.178+00:002011-03-25T14:24:45.178+00:00Hi Katherine, I was sent a link to your blog by Tr...Hi Katherine, I was sent a link to your blog by Tracy Hall, its been a real joy to go through a bit of it. Im sure Im going to learn alot from your posts:)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02326239573663689576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-44250373269421137652011-03-25T14:15:12.424+00:002011-03-25T14:15:12.424+00:00Rose - you make an excellent point about themes an...Rose - you make an excellent point about themes and preferences emerging out of a body of work - and that you need time to be able to create that body of work.<br /><br />There's something about society's preoccupation with instant results which seems to inhibit measured growth with feedback loops from peers and mentors plus time to make mistakes and time to learn from them.<br /><br />So sad!<br /><br />It strikes me that the prevailing "get rich quick mentality" of modern times may well lead people to start selling their work before they've even got a body of work together nevermind identified what it is about their work which makes them distinctive and unique?<br /><br />How can we retrieve the idea that it takes time to make progress and to become good?<br /><br />Do we need ways in which people can be online apprentices? Is that the way forward?Making A Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509483023337008890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-40366913718567404322011-03-25T14:05:40.268+00:002011-03-25T14:05:40.268+00:00Pattie - love the term "glow and grow"! ...Pattie - love the term "glow and grow"! Must remember that oneMaking A Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509483023337008890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-28673342746446909152011-03-25T14:05:08.792+00:002011-03-25T14:05:08.792+00:00Kimberley - it always seemed to me when I started ...Kimberley - it always seemed to me when I started blogging that one of the very real values of the Internet was that it enabled artists, often working on their own, to link up and behave much more like a peer group.<br /><br />I've personally known a number of artists whose art came on in leaps and bounds because they had access to fellow artist/bloggers who would give them good quality feedback. Not always on their blog - sometimes by way of email correspondence.<br /><br />Equally I've seen artists who have been stimulated to try more experiments because artists have shared their own experiments on the Internet<br /><br />Maybe it's time to review again what a hugely valuable community the art bloggers are for each other - and how they can all work together for mutual benefit?<br /><br />Thank you for great tips - all makes huge sense to me.Making A Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509483023337008890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-68536012916181100282011-03-25T13:56:21.445+00:002011-03-25T13:56:21.445+00:00Katherine, I'm glad to see you trying to turn ...Katherine, I'm glad to see you trying to turn this into a positive learning experience. Education is the only way to stop this emptying and devaluing of art.<br /><br />I don't think I've developed a style yet but I do think I am learning a bit about the process of doing so and getting there for myself. That said, I think key points are time and patience.<br /><br />Why did your portfolio reveal so much? Because you had a fair number of images, gathered over years, to look at all in one go. Then your geology background suddenly became obvious. I don't think the obvious becomes obvious until time and practice reveals it.<br /><br />It's not easy to hear "just wait", which is why people are tempted to copy another's style or subject matter. After an artist has spent years finding their style and voice, then they can say that is more enriching and satisfying to develop your own, but I think it takes a while for that satisfaction to come. As I said, I'm not there yet, but I have been working on pursuing my own interests in my own art recently and I am more excited about my art then I have been in years. <br /><br />So after years of working with CPs I'm just beginning to find what makes me tick. Is it something someone else wants to buy, probably not for a while yet. And it will probably be a few years before it reads as a cohesive style.<br /><br />I guess I'm saying that we have to turn off all our modern "right now" tendencies and apply patience to be able to contribute to the ancient discussion of excellent art. When we think about the years of training and apprenticeship of the old masters it becomes obvious...but really accepting several years of training...that's the trick.Rose Weltyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00313411909909580181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-80389083286821137492011-03-25T13:53:43.011+00:002011-03-25T13:53:43.011+00:00Katherine - what a positive and proactive response...Katherine - what a positive and proactive response to the issues that have seemed forefront across the web where we artists live these past few days. The 'happy clappy' has a life of it's own at times. Somewhat of a 'glow and grow' idea is always on my mind when making comments on other's work and I appreciate more on the 'grow', less on the 'glow'.Pattie Wallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04133673088793154979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-31453241811051300772011-03-25T13:45:15.888+00:002011-03-25T13:45:15.888+00:00I love to study/follow other artists' work, es...I love to study/follow other artists' work, especially other daily painters. I learn from what they do (and what they don't do!) and become bolder to try similar things on my own (like introducing a new color or improved study of light). It's akin to painting alongside a friend - you have this dialogue about what works and what doesn't. But you are both creating different pieces because your own filters are driving the decision making. My advice is to pay attention to your own filters - ask yourself why (repeatedly), give yourself permission to fail (that's how we learn!), and paint subject matter that you love and know intimately (so that you can in return critique yourself heartlessly).Kimberly Kelly Santinihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00142362424917327552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-56061671827454470202011-03-25T13:38:31.153+00:002011-03-25T13:38:31.153+00:00On the contrary, I think I would suggest that one ...On the contrary, I think I would suggest that one of the best ways of developing your art is to look at art by a very wide variety of artists. <br /><br />Let eclectic be your watchword!Making A Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509483023337008890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-74413089941928415862011-03-25T13:22:09.387+00:002011-03-25T13:22:09.387+00:00I've been told the best way to develop your ow...I've been told the best way to develop your own style is to avoid looking at anyone else's work. Hard to do unless you live in a cave, but a fascinating idea. Enjoyed reading this post!terihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05095349422849979251noreply@blogger.com