tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post8407427723393017531..comments2023-06-13T08:29:39.914+00:00Comments on MAKING A MARK: The Big Painting Challenge starts 22nd February on BBC1Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-62107111070451662002015-03-12T13:02:24.429+00:002015-03-12T13:02:24.429+00:00I agree 100% with Kathryn on the issue of what mak...I agree 100% with Kathryn on the issue of what makes an amateur! If you make a living from something, you're a professional.<br />Tom McQuigganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01298246605110198150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-78917792498518401332015-03-02T19:08:00.867+00:002015-03-02T19:08:00.867+00:00Max - your examples are fallacious.
In addition, ...Max - your examples are fallacious.<br /><br />In addition, having observed your listed interests on your blogger profile my guess is you're very probably an "attention seeker" and a troll. <br /><br />Do you need a definition for that? <br /><br />Basically it means I'll remember in future to refrain from publishing any more of your comments! :)<br /><br />For the benefit of the rest of my readers.......<br /><br />Vincent van Gogh was supported for his whole career as an artist by his brother Theo. If there had been no brother, there would have been no paintings. Since his brother dealt in paintings I guess you could argue he was sponsored and received money for his art in the same way that artists have been sponsored by dealers before and since.<br /><br />So no I am not calling Van Gogh an amateur but by the same token I'm not calling him a professional artist either. I'm calling him a very talented artist who was extraordinarily fortunate to have a generous brother. That's the only reason we can see his paintings today.<br /><br />Untrained teaching assistants receive an income for the work they do. <br /><br />Being paid as an art teacher doesn't make you an artist even if you've been educated and trained as an artist. Art teachers are paid for teaching art. They are not being paid to be an artist!<br /><br />People can believe what they want to believe and use definitions they believe to be true. However the general rule if you want to have a meaningful conversation it's often best to stick to definitions which have a wider application.<br /><br />For the record, we've had this debate on this blog before on this topic of "what is an artist".<br /><br />The conclusion at the time was that the critical issue revolved around whatever 'label' was attached to the word 'artist'.<br /><br />That's why my comment related purely to the definition of the word 'amateur artist' as used by the BBC.<br /><br />See if you can make a distinction between the labels 'Hobby artist' and 'professional artist'.<br />Making A Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509483023337008890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-81365516055272016342015-03-02T18:44:07.893+00:002015-03-02T18:44:07.893+00:00@Katherine Tyrrell. Utter rubbish concerning your ...@Katherine Tyrrell. Utter rubbish concerning your comments about what is an amateur and what isn't. Van Gogh and many other artists of his type never earned a living from what they did. Are you saying they were amateurs?<br /><br />And your example of tutors doesn't make any sense. What about untrained teaching assistants? They get paid,are they professional?<br /><br />The reality is that an artist is an artist the moment they decide to be such, regardless of whether they're earning or not. Amateur and Professional don't even come into it unless it's on a dull, patronising BBC1 show like this one.Max E Goodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03760930313712352495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-84071016774947987592015-02-24T23:40:37.525+00:002015-02-24T23:40:37.525+00:00I think we need to remember that the term "am...I think we need to remember that the term "amateur" - as for all occupations - means somebody who engages in an activity but on an unpaid basis ie they "do not earn a living from what they do". See the definition which I reproduced in this post.<br /><br />Amateur does NOT mean "has not been educated in art" or "has had no success to date".<br /><br />You can teach and be an amateur tutor and yet not earn a living from it. If you did, we'd call you a professional teacher.<br /><br />So basically these are people who can paint - to some degree - and don't earn their living from being an artist right now.Making A Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509483023337008890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-36946840264749198172015-02-24T21:12:20.431+00:002015-02-24T21:12:20.431+00:00I tuned into this program after you posted about a...I tuned into this program after you posted about as I am all for any program promoting art, something that is sadly lacking in the US. However I am confused by the term amateur. This is a comment I made on a facebook page about it. <br />Well, having looked at the profiles and being a bit of internet stalker, most of the artists in this show seem to no more amateur than I am. More than half have been to art school, at least 3 fine art. Several of them have exhibited in national competitions, not once but several times. So given all that information, the quality of the work is quite disappointing and the ones I found interesting, have already had considerable success in open competitions. The blogs a few have written about the process of the first episode which were very interesting. I will keep watching though but now I will know the judges remarks are probably based on the knowledge these people on the whole are not amateurs. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-76502810653021227142015-02-22T12:10:53.658+00:002015-02-22T12:10:53.658+00:00@onedrawingdaily - the programme never set out to ...@onedrawingdaily - the programme never set out to find the best professional artist.<br /><br />It is however advertising itself as a competition to find the "best amateur artist" to which I would add a rider to the effect "who wants to appear on television"!<br /><br />Not everybody does want to appear on television!Making A Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509483023337008890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-89316675065062937622015-02-22T12:08:12.570+00:002015-02-22T12:08:12.570+00:00Julie - I think there's a lot of artists out t...Julie - I think there's a lot of artists out there who thought they were semi-professional or professional who might well agree with you!Making A Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509483023337008890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-15001118652594500812015-02-22T12:07:37.354+00:002015-02-22T12:07:37.354+00:00I think you'll find ALL the BBC programmes of ...I think you'll find ALL the BBC programmes of this ilk ALWAYS feature people who have developed expertise in their spare time.<br /><br />The BBC's mission includes an aspect which is to inform and educate. It doesn't have any sort of remit in relation to promoting professional artists. Making A Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509483023337008890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-41539950002134145712015-02-22T12:03:56.785+00:002015-02-22T12:03:56.785+00:00Really looking forward to this programme, although...Really looking forward to this programme, although I wish there were more TV opportunities to support and promote those who are trying to make a living as full time artists! Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09737002686386626561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-64088688162599397222015-02-22T09:46:18.737+00:002015-02-22T09:46:18.737+00:00well, under those rules, I can enter, for goodness...well, under those rules, I can enter, for goodness sake!! But I'm too busy being professional!Julie Douglashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12750152940761828189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-38113380931126389802015-02-22T09:34:32.840+00:002015-02-22T09:34:32.840+00:00It would be more fun to have truly amateur artists...It would be more fun to have truly amateur artists who paint for pleasure Polly Birchallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18071252070928856360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-75028754663882689122015-02-22T07:54:14.170+00:002015-02-22T07:54:14.170+00:00Thankyou for the background informationThankyou for the background informationBridget Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12687955539907001586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-58941533043824425672015-02-21T22:12:21.100+00:002015-02-21T22:12:21.100+00:00I'm looking forward to it, but the definition ...I'm looking forward to it, but the definition of amateur made me wonder a bit. Any artist who manages to make 50% of their income from their art is doing pretty darned well already!Geoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04895107359072335867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-40082212451046979952015-02-21T15:50:06.816+00:002015-02-21T15:50:06.816+00:00This is so cool.. While american reality shows are...This is so cool.. While american reality shows are about the worst aspects of human kind, great britain has art-shows. In sweden they have garden-reality shows.. I just love these kind of things.<br /><br />As you say - this will definitely not be a way of finding the "best professional artist" in Britain, but it really seems like something that could interesting to follow. It also goes to say something about the "general culture" in the country.. That's sort of uplifting!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-58064566150716663302015-02-21T14:35:10.606+00:002015-02-21T14:35:10.606+00:00Thanks for this, I had forgotten it, hopefully I w...Thanks for this, I had forgotten it, hopefully I will enjoy watching itGatepost productionshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18061920423331681586noreply@blogger.com