tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post6599673949903489981..comments2023-06-13T08:29:39.914+00:00Comments on MAKING A MARK: A new owner for Wet CanvasUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-44719673631238992602009-11-10T23:37:44.880+00:002009-11-10T23:37:44.880+00:00Wetcanvas, for professional artists, is totally us...Wetcanvas, for professional artists, is totally useless except for the professional to present their knowledge and experience to the artists who are flogging along.<br /><br />However, with moderators being the 'flogglings' themselves, and who teach outdated and often wrong information such as 'add more darks' which would be rediculous in a painting of mist or a painting such as Impression Sunrise by Monet. <br /><br />When offered an opposing solution other than 'value contrasts' then an ensuing argument can force the professionals off site.<br /><br />The inability of WC to have a wide variety of moderators...those who can not get past value contrasts as being key to a painting....throwing away other possibilities which the master artists have employed for centuries of color contrasts as being more emotionally charging than value contrasts.... is like giving a child a nail to suck on instead of helping him to LEARN something.<br /><br />Unfortunately F&W publications seem to feature just that same thing....mostly high value contrast REALISTIC paintings which are mere copies of photographs. Zerox has the batallions for doing that...so why have that in a magazine as being mostly what 'good art' is?<br /><br />It is because the writers, the artists and the owners of F&W Publications hasn't been taught any better. Low value contrasts are effective in an artist's 'message' and even BETTER describe an emotion than value contrasts. Value contrasts describe the object....and the subject matter.<br /><br />As I said...Zerox can do that but a real artist uses the whole gamut of values OR LIMITED VALUES w/ color temperature contrasts....to infuse the painting how they feel.<br /><br />Want replication? Use Zerox<br />Want a fine art painting such as the master's produced...use ALL the tools as suggested by Margaret Livingstone PHd, Harvard,in her book, "Art & The biology of seeing".<br /><br />Can you tell why I was kicked off Wetcanvas? LOL.....the people at F&W see the same as the nit witted moderators....looking MOSTLY for high value contrast paintings which are all about WHAT....instead of WHY.<br /><br />Realistic paintings with high value contrasts are probably the best for grabbing the eye but near value color contrast paintings grab the emotional strings between painter and viewer.<br /><br />Ok...that's it. I do wish that F&W would provide a forum for professional artists since there is no where on the internet for such. WC's professionals are biased and can only see 'one way' and that is not ART. Art is a changing breathing thing that morphs with new inventions, new mediums, and new thoughts and experiences. <br /><br />Too bad WC drives away professional because of a bunch of jealous amateurs who are Moderators, admins and owners.Csthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11207645844248530218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-24287336535162991502009-02-07T00:14:00.000+00:002009-02-07T00:14:00.000+00:00I was a guide in the abstract contemporary forum a...I was a guide in the abstract contemporary forum and a participant in the debate forum. I joined in 2004 and had 17,000 plus posts. made a lot of art and friends in the largest on line art community. F&W have for some irrational reasons has been doing things to drive away long time contributors to the various forums. freedom of speech and it's many expressions are obviously not treasured by the management.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-86897888416487108412009-02-06T21:49:00.000+00:002009-02-06T21:49:00.000+00:00I am leaving WC! because of the fascist state it h...I am leaving WC! because of the fascist state it has suddenly in the last few weeks with the new owners. I am also going to be writing every single ad member I can think of that deals with them and let them know what I think about them doing business with WC!<BR/><BR/>Chatting, gone<BR/>Debates, destroyed and changed<BR/>Reference Image Library, gone<BR/>Tutorials, mostly gone.<BR/><BR/>What's the point? A nice pat on the back since you are not allowed to speak your mind or help people anymore.<BR/><BR/>Oh, and >insert deity here< forbid that you have a thread over 3 pages, it just might get closed now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-7494825195617848102007-10-07T04:27:00.000+00:002007-10-07T04:27:00.000+00:00Hi Katherine,I just read your post about F&W acqui...Hi Katherine,<BR/><BR/>I just read your post about F&W acquiring WetCanvas. There is a new online community for artist called <A HREF="http://fineartamerica.com" REL="nofollow">FineArtAmerica</A> which you may be interested in writing about.<BR/><BR/>It has many of the community features of WetCanvas plus much more (i.e. print on demand, etc.).<BR/><BR/>BrianAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-5572251600888547732007-08-10T08:39:00.000+00:002007-08-10T08:39:00.000+00:00Just popped in to say "Hi" to all those people fro...Just popped in to say "Hi" to all those people from Wet Canvas who have been arriving recently to take a look at what has been said in this blog post.<BR/><BR/>For those who are new to blogs and blogging, I hope you find the time to take a look around and get an idea of what this blog is about, why it exists and how it works with a lot of other sites around the blogosphere and internet - both major and minor. (That means lots of links folks!)<BR/><BR/>My emphasis is very much about fostering and sharing learning about art and art careers and applauding achievement. <BR/><BR/>I sincerely hope that this blog's relationship with WC can continue to be positive and constructive - as indeed it has been on so many occasions in the past.Making A Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509483023337008890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-2836853659337619112007-07-12T09:58:00.000+00:002007-07-12T09:58:00.000+00:00see also my comment about Art Forums with debates ...see also my comment about Art Forums with debates sub-forums - which don't actually debate art-related issues - in <A HREF="http://makingamark.blogspot.com/2007/07/art-forums-ins-and-outs.html" REL="nofollow">Art forums - the ins and outs</A>.Making A Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509483023337008890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-77844068079021416172007-06-26T23:22:00.000+00:002007-06-26T23:22:00.000+00:00David - thanks for commenting. I'm tickled pink b...David - thanks for commenting. I'm tickled pink by the idea of my a copy of my blog post being on your wall!<BR/><BR/>I guess the question I'm asking is if you eliminated some of the forums which attract very little support would many members actually notice?Making A Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509483023337008890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-5043221892436088142007-06-26T14:35:00.000+00:002007-06-26T14:35:00.000+00:00Katherine - What a balanced and cogent review of s...Katherine - <BR/><BR/>What a balanced and cogent review of some of the issues that we face with WetCanvas! The question regarding whether or not WC! would have been designed originally to take on its current form is particularly instructive. And it illustrates that, given the opportunity, the process of Darwinian evolution applies to online 'organisms,' too. <BR/><BR/>WetCanvas! has evolved into something very dynamic, highly engaging, and just a little bit messy. Kind of like people, eh? I worry, however, that if we attempt to eliminate the messy and inconvenient bits, we might also strangle some of the qualities that make it a living, breathing thing?<BR/><BR/>I don't know. And we're not going to rush to judgment. We're under no illusions that we know everything we'll need over the next weeks and months to nurture and support this community. There were, of course, business reasons that this move makes sense. But it only works long-term if we do what's needed to support WetCanvas! as a living, breathing, dynamic, engaging, free-flowing, learning-based, and sometimes messy thing. <BR/><BR/>So, we'll take our time and learn. <BR/><BR/>I am, however, going to print out your blog post and tape it to my wall!<BR/><BR/>Thanks again.<BR/><BR/>David Pyle<BR/><BR/>Group Publisher<BR/>The Artist's Magazine<BR/>Watecolor Magic<BR/>The Pastel Journal<BR/>WetCanvas!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-38882413329654039512007-06-24T19:56:00.000+00:002007-06-24T19:56:00.000+00:00It's not surprising that something that has grown ...It's not surprising that something that has grown so large should have a lot of different forums, though I do think it's confusing. If I paint a watercolour landscape en plein aire, I've got a choice of at least three places where I could post it. In my experience, it is the forums based on mediums rather than subject-matter that are the most lively, probably because they are more natural places for people to share advice and tutorials.<BR/><BR/>It will be interesting to see how it develops, and it will be interesting to see how its new owners will develop it so as to fit in with their print publications.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-44486302475124677222007-06-24T10:24:00.000+00:002007-06-24T10:24:00.000+00:00It's interesting how often the comment about numbe...It's interesting how often the comment about numbers of forums/difficulties of navigation is coming up.<BR/><BR/>Every time I've raised it within WC it's not been favoured with a positive response. I guess people will always tend to like protecting the status quo - and their own particular bit of territory. However I do think it means that one can lose sight of the big picture and the nature of the experience for newcomers.<BR/><BR/>Just as a matter of interest - how many people have come across the product review system within WC? (or maybe I should be asking this in a new post?)Making A Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509483023337008890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-79729784307066369482007-06-24T00:50:00.000+00:002007-06-24T00:50:00.000+00:00Katherine, One of the problems I find at WC are th...Katherine, One of the problems I find at WC are the restrictions on commentary which are not a problem with blogging. I like to announce my studio happenings, products I use, workshops and so forth and that is not allowed at WC. There seems to be an inconsistency about it there too with it being perfectly all right for someone else to come in and talk about a workshop that someone else is teaching, and so forth. For that reason, I like the freedom of blogging.<BR/><BR/>I think WC is great for beginning and emerging artists. Not so great for more experienced ones. I do try to post there often in hopes of helping others. I also agree that it has far too many forums now.<BR/><BR/>Love,<BR/>Linda<BR/><BR/>www.linda-blondheim.blogspot.comLinda Blondheimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03404572279414781192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-82731477630670788152007-06-23T14:14:00.000+00:002007-06-23T14:14:00.000+00:00No of course, too many screen pages later. Drop a ...No of course, too many screen pages later. Drop a line when you head off on your next New England road trip. I stumbled through setting up a blog this morning and posted a sketch at larainearmenti.blogspot.com. Thanks for your inspiring energy and out reach.Laraine Armentihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14939199509459633075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-732395045577755032007-06-23T12:48:00.000+00:002007-06-23T12:48:00.000+00:00Laraine - thanks for the response - much appreciat...Laraine - thanks for the response - much appreciated. I'm not very keen on comments by people who appear to be wholly anonymous. But I also wondered whether you knew what your profile looked like. <BR/><BR/>Think of blog comments as being a bit like meeting people face to face for the first time. One tends to exchange a few details by way of introduction - and the profile is extremely helpful in this respect.<BR/><BR/>Also I find that names don't always carryover from WC to the blogging arena - plus I'm not so good at remembering them these days! ;)<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the comments on the sketching - much appreciated. My cousin, who I was staying with, lives in Littleton - and I left my drawing board there so I'll be back!Making A Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509483023337008890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-13591300932455684392007-06-23T12:13:00.000+00:002007-06-23T12:13:00.000+00:00I created an account so that I could ask you a que...I created an account so that I could ask you a question... who knew about profiles! I'll take a look. My work can be seen at www.larainearmenti.com<BR/><BR/>I "met" you in the sketch thread at WC. I applauded and envied your intrepid spirit for the New England sketch trip. I grew up in Concord, Mass and live nearby so it was a thrill to see your art from the places you visited. You've inspired me to sketch in the moleskin more often.<BR/><BR/>Your consistency and quality of information on the blog are terrific. Thanks for responding to the financial question.Laraine Armentihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14939199509459633075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-57835208635753986832007-06-23T10:24:00.000+00:002007-06-23T10:24:00.000+00:00K - As a relative newby to visual art, I use wet c...K - As a relative newby to visual art, I use wet canvas as a fantastic reference -- photos, art instruction, inspiration. However, I have always found the forums to be a bit cumbersome and difficult to navigate and so have shied away from any interaction there. Your comments are so well formed and appreciated! I hope the new owners keep the information, library, and 'flavor' of the site .. it has been tremendously helpful !Linhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16962094268196360875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-76126191903535764232007-06-23T01:20:00.000+00:002007-06-23T01:20:00.000+00:00I'm not concerned about it but am very intrigued a...I'm not concerned about it but am very intrigued at what will happen!!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15449813797621330902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-91779281551381480612007-06-22T18:29:00.000+00:002007-06-22T18:29:00.000+00:00Katherine,I am very new to the blogging world and ...Katherine,<BR/><BR/>I am very new to the blogging world and love the information you provide. Keep it up.<BR/><BR/>EAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-33927329724806208382007-06-22T15:40:00.000+00:002007-06-22T15:40:00.000+00:00Laraine - I guess this is the point at which I hav...Laraine - I guess this is the point at which I have to confess that making money is not the primary aim of this blog!<BR/><BR/>Seriously - if I wanted to earn income from this blog that would be very easy. But you'll note the absence of adverts.......<BR/><BR/>Similarly, it generates a fair bit of traffic for my website. I produce my art largely for me, I exhibit to a degree and I don't feel any need at all to do a lot more than that right now. However should I want to the blog could be very effective at helping me do so. <BR/><BR/>That's not to say I won't change tack in the future but right now I do this because I enjoy it. I happen to think sharing information is a 'good thing'.<BR/><BR/>Also I've already set up a blog for selling from should I ever decide to go down that route. It does pay to grab the name you want early! ;) <BR/><BR/>Now Laraine - I've never ever had a comment before from anybody who has as little information in their Blogger profile as you have - which intrigues me. So who are you and what's your background/field of interest?Making A Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509483023337008890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-54101727657716940722007-06-22T15:11:00.000+00:002007-06-22T15:11:00.000+00:00I appreciate your comments about Wet Canvas and b...I appreciate your comments about Wet Canvas and believe you are right. I have been active for periods of time but can't sustain it becaue it takes too much time from my own work. I'm relatively new to blogs. Are you able to make money directly from Making a Mark? Or is it advertising for your art work and classes? Thanks for spreading the word about WC.Laraine Armentihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14939199509459633075noreply@blogger.com