tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post2836929017175654336..comments2023-06-13T08:29:39.914+00:00Comments on MAKING A MARK: The big gap in the painting holiday marketUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-79961504215243046852011-05-26T08:17:19.313+00:002011-05-26T08:17:19.313+00:00Great post Katherine. It strikes a chord because I...Great post Katherine. It strikes a chord because I've just come back from a splendid peer group 'plein air' painting trip down in Sennen, Cornwall (Land's End). I decided to book something early in the year and thought it would be nice to invite along fellow plein air enthusiasts to share the experience.<br /><br />We all had a superb time and the accommodation was ideal (kitted out to cater for surfers and other large groups). I came back with 38 paintings but it's the memories of the shared experiences that I'll cherish the most. I'm hoping to set up some more.....there's certainly a shortage of this kind of thing and the demand is there. A great way to get inspired, meet up with creative people and produce new work! You can see a few action shots at http://davidpilgrimart.blogspot.comDavidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17909161522406304080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-14276778741994757232009-11-11T08:17:21.616+00:002009-11-11T08:17:21.616+00:00Hi Kathrine
I'll do one in Ireland!! I alread...Hi Kathrine<br /><br />I'll do one in Ireland!! I already offer Art for Art Teachers as a two day course, to give art teachers a little battery recharging and nuture. <br />I've booked myself in to courses now and then just to work quietly in the corner and have the discipline and lack of distraction that I sometimes have at home. If anyone is interested in visiting Ireland for a painting & drawing break, either in County Clare, on the West, or maybe Kilkenny, which is a very arty, buzzy place, they might like to contact me and we'll see what I can arrange. <br /><br />julie Douglas - note my new email address -<br /><br />julie@juliedouglas.ieJulie Douglashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13540916972677300655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-19213648675725104052008-05-31T15:55:00.000+00:002008-05-31T15:55:00.000+00:00It seems like the peer group painting holiday has ...It seems like the peer group painting holiday has got some solid support and I was right about where the major gap is! I'm going to be giving some more thought to how to develop this in ways which are mutually beneficial.<BR/><BR/>Casey - I hope all those artists who are hoping to generate income from teaching also realise that being able to paint doesn't automatically qualify them to be able to teach - or even have well organised workshops / painting holidays. Read Jana's comment on the next post in this series to hear about an experience which is maybe more common than people realise. At least people are now making these comments out loud - even if we are still being very polite and not naming names. <BR/><BR/>It occurs to me that some artists might do better generating income by offering B&B and use of a studio to all those painters who want to get away to paint with their friends!Making A Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509483023337008890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-5630535464517218442008-05-31T15:48:00.000+00:002008-05-31T15:48:00.000+00:00Vivien - I absolutely agree with you - and we have...Vivien - I absolutely agree with you - and we have still got to apply ourselves to the Cornwall expedition, especially now that Sarah knows where she is going to be living in future!Making A Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509483023337008890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-72934360720543578722008-05-31T15:46:00.000+00:002008-05-31T15:46:00.000+00:00Martin - I've got absolutely no problem with paint...Martin - I've got absolutely no problem with painting holidays being about fun and having a relaxing time as well as doing a spot of painting.<BR/><BR/>I object to organisers who try to mix the committed painter who wants to cram as much as they can into the time available in with the part-time hobbyists who just want to chill out!<BR/><BR/>I'm a huge supporter of all those who differentiate their classes and spell out who they are suitable for.Making A Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509483023337008890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-46962709005796161842008-05-31T15:42:00.000+00:002008-05-31T15:42:00.000+00:00Thanks Clive - what nice watercolours you do!Thanks Clive - what nice watercolours you do!Making A Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509483023337008890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-83099353791376280092008-05-31T15:38:00.000+00:002008-05-31T15:38:00.000+00:00Pica - thanks for the suggestions. I'm certainly ...Pica - thanks for the suggestions. I'm certainly keen to help improve the available choice for people who want to learnMaking A Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509483023337008890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-46159277329292760912008-05-31T15:36:00.000+00:002008-05-31T15:36:00.000+00:00Bob - I do know and understand how to teach but I'...Bob - I do know and understand how to teach but I've certainly not got your track record in teaching!<BR/><BR/>It seems to me that people can be good at teaching because <BR/>- they have innate ability <BR/>- or because they've been trained to teach <BR/>or because they've learned through application and feedback. <BR/><BR/>However, it's my belief that there are many fewer people with innate ability than some would have us believe. Ditto I don't think enough teachers outside the education systems get enough feedback and evaluation of how well they are doing. <BR/><BR/>Some painting courses and holidays could be so much better if the 'teacher' accepted that teaching does have a knowledge base and a set of skills and made sure they knew a bit more about how to teach before they accept money from people. <BR/><BR/>The great thing about peer holidays is that we accept that our peers are not trained teachers - but value what they can share - for free.Making A Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509483023337008890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-28051106008953340722008-05-30T17:14:00.000+00:002008-05-30T17:14:00.000+00:00First of all, the group of art in this post is ref...First of all, the group of art in this post is refreshing. Thanks for posting them.<BR/><BR/>Very thought provoking series of posts, here. I was at the art store in Spokane the other day, for the first time in months, and was very taken at the large number of artists offering classes. It seems to me that the teaching track is becoming almost unavoidable for many working artists!<BR/><BR/>Adam Cope is doing a project on the subject of sketches of artists painting on site.Casey Klahnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08020906666248399435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-4877852917195810352008-05-30T11:00:00.000+00:002008-05-30T11:00:00.000+00:00You are right on about the peer group holidays. I...You are right on about the peer group holidays. I have done a couple with some of my calligraphy, book arts friends. One gal rented a condo every winter near Myrtle Beach, SC and she would invite 4 of us down for a week and every day we did art and each of us took a turn teaching something to the others. We all learned so much and came home with several art projects. <BR/><BR/>So there is always the option of a group of artists renting a cabin, cottage or condo for a week and you will then have access to the sink for washing brushes and such besides being in an area with views to paint.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00021360855817039262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-9056834463208851382008-05-30T07:57:00.000+00:002008-05-30T07:57:00.000+00:00Love the 'artists' pen sketches, Katherine and I d...Love the 'artists' pen sketches, Katherine and I don't think you have any reason to be humble about your watercolour technique.Robyn Sinclairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01663604160297996421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-28635945507445763712008-05-30T07:52:00.000+00:002008-05-30T07:52:00.000+00:00Since my life is now one big painting holiday, it ...Since my life is now one big painting holiday, it would be hard for me to justify a painting holiday ;)<BR/><BR/>When I do look at websites and advertisements for holidays, I'm attracted to the ones run by someone whose art inspires me. Someone who will teach me something.<BR/><BR/>What I dislike about any type of group holiday is the amount of expensive time that can be wasted on visiting commercial enterprises such as wine cellars, cheese shops, glass factories - you name it. These are marketing exercises and in my opinion have no place in a painting holiday.<BR/><BR/>I have no experience of peer group panting holidays but it sounds like a wonderful idea. I have been on Writers' Holiday workshops and they have been fantastic for sharing experiences and skills.Robyn Sinclairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01663604160297996421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-69782606569095754752008-05-30T06:38:00.000+00:002008-05-30T06:38:00.000+00:00Great posts Katherine, peer holidays are a great i...Great posts Katherine, peer holidays are a great idea, I am putting my thinking cap on with regards to venue etc... and the business side of it all is another splendid one, blogging and selling your art on line, I have lost count of the number of fellow artists that I have helped to set up a blog. Come and stay (when I have a house!) with Viv and we can plot, plan and paint!!Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14193935968877679533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-85455761143790785502008-05-29T22:30:00.000+00:002008-05-29T22:30:00.000+00:00Funny, just seeing your title I knew what *I* was ...Funny, just seeing your title I knew what *I* was going to suggest. Which is precisely what you found.<BR/><BR/>Holidays for experienced artists. Or rather, places that simply welcome artists. Welcoming pets, hikers, cyclists, and surfers has become something facilities advertise - how about artists?<BR/><BR/>I do go away on holiday and paint but it would be great to know places that had a studio, or simply welcomed artists. Meaning we can wash our brushes in the sink, maybe there's a room with tiled floor and a table to work on without worry of wrecking something with a bit of paint, perhaps a closet or room to dry work in. It doesn't have to specifically be a studio, just places where the owners are relaxed and welcoming. For groups of artists it could be these things on a slightly larger scale - a nice big room with table to share, utility sink, etc. Perhaps standard amenities could include rags. :)Tina Mammoserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18407199513409994699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-14783990612118965512008-05-29T18:04:00.000+00:002008-05-29T18:04:00.000+00:00a good post and it is a gap in the market for many...a good post and it is a gap in the market for many people.<BR/><BR/>I'm lucky that I have fellow painters I usually go away with for a painting break - it's great to crit the work of the day in the evening over a glass of wine. Seeing the different ways we all use materials and tackle the same subject matter (landscape/seascapes usually) is great.<BR/><BR/>For people who have taken up painting and don't have this peer group, this isn't the case and a holiday like this would be a fantastic learning curve - and fun :>).<BR/><BR/>I was going to suggest more advanced holidays with more challenging content would appeal to more experienced painters who fancied an intensive period painting with like minded people.vivienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16820836660470146799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-24746590651243342242008-05-29T16:52:00.000+00:002008-05-29T16:52:00.000+00:00I have followed your posts with interest.The combi...I have followed your posts with interest.<BR/>The combination of holiday and art workshop has always the potential of conflict in my opinion. I have met people who were perfectly satisfied with a week of leasure and moving the brushes a bit for fun. <BR/><BR/>As to the gap: I started something that probably will find imitators. It´s a holistic and therefore new concept which is not covered at least in Germany yet. The concept has evolved from my own experience over the last 4 years working with sketchbooks. Due to the holistic approach the aspects of recreation and art are integrated and inseparable connected. I run a separate blog on this,but as usual in German language.Papierfliegerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08006399662058810780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-90118476307041228602008-05-29T16:45:00.000+00:002008-05-29T16:45:00.000+00:00Nice paintings and drawings, I visit every few wee...Nice paintings and drawings, I visit every few weeks. Interesting item, too.Clivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03157933440777720220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-76984649810385045292008-05-29T16:37:00.000+00:002008-05-29T16:37:00.000+00:00Wow, great post Katherine.I think the peer artist ...Wow, great post Katherine.<BR/><BR/>I think the peer artist holiday is a great idea. There are people who read your blog from all over the world. Surely between them/us we can come up with a bunch of destinations that would meet these criteria?<BR/><BR/>I'm particularly interested in the focus on drawing/painting animals and try and squeeze that in when I travel, but I'd love to have it be a focus.<BR/><BR/>Robert Dvorak is an excellent teacher based in Monterey and he leads some great trips -- I've taken travel sketching, marketing, and a zoo class with him -- but they've all been one-day things. I bet he'd be open tho to what you're proposing. See http://youcreate.com/travel.htm but in particular his "business of selling art" is a fantastic course!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20645140.post-79763070388090490412008-05-29T14:14:00.000+00:002008-05-29T14:14:00.000+00:00You raise several interesting points Katherine - t...You raise several interesting points Katherine - the one that concerns me most is that like you I have been to many other artists on courses (I can't afford holidays!) and have been disappointed. Why? Because many great artists cannot teach. Some people I respect enormously as artists have sat there in classes and expected their talent to transfer by osmosis to the students. I taught for 22 years and understand about lesson preparation - many artists have never prepared a lesson in their lives.Bob Ebdonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02706756445971562444noreply@blogger.com